White hat hackers roam the internet in search of security vulnerabilities. Unlike their black hat counterparts, their goal isn’t to penetrate those vulnerabilities: it’s to make website and business owners aware of these dangerous loopholes. But Alex Rice, co-founder of bug bounty organization HackerOne, says that white hat hackers are playing a dangerous game.

Without a culture of vulnerability disclosure, white hat hackers can’t do their job without risking severe legal penalties. Fearful of the repercussions, many hackers aren’t coming forward when they discover bugs. Alex Rice sits down with us to chat about how our pursuit of online safety might be causing harm as well as good.